A lot of people took some things I said in this post the wrong way. Yes, it included some poor information and for that I apologize. I wrote it quick and wanted to get it out which I shouldn’t have done without getting my facts straight. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Anyways, let me explain one thing, specifically this paragraph:
“You’ve got much better options else where. Think about it. You get paid about $1 per email you send in. 100 emails = $100. Alternatively, you could promote games for about $2 a lead = $200 per 100 leads. Orrr you could do dating and get paid $4 per lead = $400. Insurance and credit offers nail you $10 – $20 per lead, adding up to 1k – 2k dollars at the end of the day. Get started in rebills and you double that. See what I’m talking about here? Would you rather spend time optimizing a campaign for $100 or $1000?”
There seems to have been some mis-communication here. If you throw an email submit up on a traffic source and get 100 leads from it, you can’t expect the same amount of leads throwing up a weight loss rebill offer on the same traffic source. This should be common knowledge, so for those that were thinking I was saying the opposite here, well, I’m not that stupid.
What I’m saying, is do you really want to be focusing on (generally) short-term email submit offers paying you out a buck-10. You don’t have to focus on rebill offers either, and I’d almost advise against that as well. I’m just saying that I think we as affiliates have much better choices out there. For any traffic source, there is almost always a leadgen or sale offer that can out-perform any email/zip submit with some optimization. They require more work, yes, but in the long run, through my experience, are more stable than any email/zip submit offer you can run.
There are some email submits, though far and few between, that do work. The email submits that get sign-ups for mailing lists convert and covert well over a long period of time (recently, we’re seeing a lot of stock/penny stock offers doing this). The ones that require the user to fill out offers to get their prize generally get thrown on to the fail boat after a couple of days.
It’s really down to what you want to promote and how much effort you want to put into testing and setting up a campaign at the end of the day. Email submits are pretty simple. Set up a link on a traffic source, rotate through a few until you find a winner and sit on it until you start getting scrubbed. It’s easy to set up, but in most cases, very short term. If you’re setting up a lead gen, it can take a bit more time. You might have to set up a landing page and test those to, which adds another step. But, after that is taken care of, you’re set to go for a much longer amount of time and through that initial testing, you can much more easily scale it out without having to worry about changing offers, rotating through different affiliate networks, etc.
All offers do die, many scrub no matter what style of offer (submit, lead-gen, sale, rebill, etc), but I think many will agree that their lead-gen offer campaigns have lasted much longer than “free prize” email/zip submit campaigns. Hell, lead-gen offers can start sucking after 1 day, however, again from my experience, that isn’t very common. It’s happened a few times. Many times I get a week or two. But several campaigns running with lead-gen offers on the right traffic source, for me, have lasted months at a time.
I don’t run an offer because it pays out more, but because I see more potential and long term scalability out of it. To me, I just don’t see this in email submits. It’s a short-term hit and run campaign unless you like managing and switching out offers on it everyday. I feel my time is better used working on other campaigns. If you can scale an email submit to $1000, well that’s damn skippy. I think its possible, especially if you’ve got exclusive access to any sort of decently sized traffic center (a list, your own network, a large website), but I think you’re much more likely to hit $1000 a day long-term, with a different style of offer.
Maybe some of you can stand to take on that kind of workload and the micro-management you’d have to deal with. I can’t, so I don’t see it as a scalable source of income vs. the amount of time it would take to manage.
Those that called the post idiotic and nonfactual are completely justified to do so, and looking back on it I had to facepalm myself, but I just want to let you guys and my readers know, with more clarity, why I don’t run email submits. Now go make some money, dammit.
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dude,
I feel for ya.
whether you say something works or not.
someone will dog you for it.
WHATEVER !!!
you are speaking the truth of your experience.
If someone can come in and show you or a few people how they are doing that works AND REPEAT IT.
Great! more power to them.
I see alot of one hit wonders and methods that work one day or traffic form not on another.
as a smart girl in college said to me..
"If, they can do it better. Have them step up and show you. Otherwise tell the hecklers in the audience to 'shut up and leave'"
I think lately you are speaking a lot of truth that networks, gurus and their minions do not want out.
Since, it takes gravy off their train.
Keep speaking your truth… No MATTER WHAT !
Ignore the fags that were complaining.
Or get some balls and just put up with it.
You gunna get the haters hatin on you because most of your posts read like you have never done what you are trying to teach other people to do.
Occasionally people will pick up on this and they will call you out.
A Bro Gorra eat though.
Well it's like what I've always said: people that are actually making good money in affiliate marketing don't have time to run blogs. We're too busy making money.
There's nothing wrong with teaching people affiliate marketing, but most of the people that run these membership sites don't make any money from anything other than their membership sites (PPC coach for example. He hasn't done affiliate marketing for years).
My blog is a lot more than a platform for launching my own products/services.
It will look great on a resume (If I ever plan to go back to that lifestyle… don't want to, but you never know what the future brings). I can use it to show that I have put in the effort and persistence to keep this blog up for nearly 2 and a half years.
Business contacts – My AIM list is full of hundreds of affiliates I can contact for advice or chat with, schedule meetings with, etc, thanks to the people that have gotten in touch with me through this blog.
It shows I have something other than a bunch of numbers in my affiliate accounts. A portfolio, if you want to call it that. It's much more of a long-term business asset than any of the landing pages I own.
Having my blog is great padding for the future. I'm focused on how I can take my short-term affiliate marketing efforts and turn it into a long-term business, not just which rebill offer isn't scrubbing me today. I know guys that lived the affiliate lifestyle, made 7 million dollars, then crashed and have to start all over with the last few thousand dollars left in their bank account. This is scary as fuck, and this blog, I think, will prevent that from happening to me.
And writing a blog doesn't take hours out of my day. More like 10 – 30 minutes. I couldn't imagine what it would be like if you have a life where you don't have enough time to take 10 – 30 minutes to do something else. I have time to work on affiliate marketing, consulting, my blogs, forums, eat out with friend, get drunk with friends, and live a kick-ass life without having to be stuck in one mode all day.
Justin I TOTALLY agree with you.. couldn't agree more. Just because you have this blog doesn't mean you don't make money.. Jeff's comment is (and no offense Jeff) but stupid. Thats the old, those who can't do, teach saying, which isn't always the case. I personally am a hockey player so I'm gonna relate it to that.. but some of the best coaches are ex players themselves. They are AMAZING players, but they still teach.. doesn't mean they can't play.
In addition to that, this is an amazing way to build and maintain relationships with other people in the industry. And Jeff.. you said "people that are actually making good money in affiliate marketing don’t have time to run blogs. WE'RE too busy making money." Which would mean that YOU are one of those making the money, yet you have the time to look at Justin's blog and knock on him about having one?
Now if you weren't trying to knock him and you're agreeing, my sincerest apologies, I read it wrong. But to me it looks like you're saying you're too busy making money to write a blog to help people, but you have enough time to talk on someone else's. (doesn't make sense) Also.. take a quick peak at how often Ryan Eagle writes on Warrior Forum.. I know its not his own blog, but he's on that thing like white on rice and still makes a lot of money.. he has the time and nobody questions that.
Point being.. I love the blog, I've learned a lot from the blog, I also know I would kill to have Justin as one of my pubs.. (being I'm an affiliate manager)
So.. keep it up, and forget about the people talking trash. You know that you're good at what you do. End of story.